Wednesday, April 13, 2011

Are We Gonna Have A Baying, Or Hog Dog Field Trail?

Below is a thread from my Facebook wall and it might be helpful to some of you who are thinking about going to hog dog field trails.

But first let me brief you on something: every dog enters the competition with a perfect score and they are docked points and penalized everytime they make a mistake.

Th worse and ultimate mistake is to catch because that results in an immediate and total disqualification. 0 points

Every lookout could result in a tenth of a point or a half point being docked depending on who is judging. A turn out and a look out are mistakes because your dog in the face of a hog, should never take its eyes off the hog.

Now the rumor is, that woods dogs do not win bay trails and bay dogs(or as we often refer to competition dogs: pen dogs) do not hunt.

Well some of that is true, because most people do not train(or allow), their pen dogs to hunt(because they are too valuable to risk getting killed in the woods), and all too often, woods dogs get disqualified for catching in competitions because the behavior expected of a well trained, professional competition dog, is not in the experience or understanding of a woods dog.

Woods dogs catch, when they have enough help,(or they think they do), and that kind of behavior will result in a total disqualification in a competition.

In the woods, a good hog dog will often catch a small, running hog who will not stand and fight, because in the woods a small hog(with no cutters, and the ability to defend itself), with too much pressure on him, has no other option but to run.

Hunting in the woods has many variables, such as there may be several hogs in a bay at one time, and a large survivor of the wilds can defend itself with dangerous cutter tusks, and an experienced woods dog that has been cut enough times by large mature hogs(that can defend themselves), knows to back up and bay(holding the hog in a stopped position), and wait for help(a man and a pitbull with a cut vest for protection from razor sharp cutters). And a wild hog (not a pen hog)will run as it's first option, and if overtaken by a fast healthy, experienced hog dog, must find a place to stand and fight because he has tried to run and knows that if he does, his nuts will be even more sore than they are now.

On the other hand, an experienced, and well trained hog dog knows that the pen is a controlled environment, and so is the hog, AND also knows that the "game" or program in here, does not allow catching.

Therefore, in the pen, the hog needs to be of sufficient size to defend himself because there is no place to run and hide, and he must face off the dog and fight, or as we say stand at bay.

Also a pen hog that has faced hog dogs in competition has learned that the program in a pen is two minutes of baying, and then the dog is called out, or the hog separated(if he can't be called out), and returned to the chutes for the next run.

I will edit or cover more of this later in another post.

The point I am making in the thread below stems from a lot complaints coming from competitors at the Uncle Earls Hog dog Trails, because they use too small of a hog for competition often mixed in with large,(well suited for competition size)hogs and creating a mix of uneven sized hogs.

The uneven mix can prevent competitors(people and dogs) from having a quality hog and getting a perfect score or prevents a competitor from having a fair chance to win, because the hog is not big enough to stand and attempt to fight, and allow the dog to control them phsycologically by barking or baying as we call it.

The uneven hog is not the only unfair aspect of rigging an event. This can also be rigged by having people in the judges seat, who have the power to chose who wins such events by docking points unfairly, or overlooking mistakes and NOT DOCKING points, and thus control the outcome, and chose who will win before the baying ever happens.

With the combined possibility of loading the chutes to put a too small hog on a comptitor who is a threat or unfairly judging a run to control who wins or loses, forces a lot of good people who have gotten screwed too many times to discontinue competing and stay home.

In an event as large as the Uncle Earl's Hog Dog Trail, having an even set of hogs, combined with honest and consistent judging, and a head judge who can stop a run, and call out a new hog if the hog turned out is injured or scared, thus giving a competitor a fair chance with everyone else is how it should be done. But at the Uncle Earls that has never happened yet.


The reasons for this are complicated and should be opened up and analysed later, but for now, lets review this Facebook thread.

But one more thing;

The worse aspect of running elite high performance professional hogs on too small a hog is that too many caught hogs results in a blood bath, and that is inhumane treatment of captive animals, which could result in a challenger by animal rights activist challenging the legality of allowing such events to happen in the first place. Meaning they lobby governments to make such events illegal, and then that type of public competition must go underground and the open to the public exhibition of well bred, well trained dogs doesn't happen anymore.





Marcus De La Houssaye
A few years ago, Jive and Overjive were tied for 1st place with a wolf and an English Bulldog. The hog was turned out for J&O and an old man sitting next to me went on and on about how he could NOT BELIEVE "they" would turn out a running hog like that for a 2 dog bay. And after it broke and ran three times it was caught, and that's hog dogs. I don't blame them that's what a hog dog is supposed to do to A RUNNING HOG.
Sunday at 12:26pm · · Like

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Marcus De La Houssaye
The other team got a big set up hog that never moved.The bulldog was a bayed solid fool and made no mistakes and the wolf looked out and turned out for no reason several times, and they were perfect bay dogs if they got a fighting set up hog. The wolf obviously got bored with this boring hog.
Sunday at 12:32pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
Because the hog dogs(J&O) got a smaller running hog, and caught they were disqualified. This meant that the baydogs (wolf and bulldog) went on to win first place in spite of the fact that they were bay dogs, not hog dogs.
Sunday at 12:35pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
Well the best part of the story: on the other side of me sat Dave Alexander, owner of J&O and like a good sport he proclaimed;"Well that's the luck of the draw", then someone leaned over and offered him a pint bottle of liquor and asked him if he wanted a drink. Dave took it like a man and refused the bottle. I on the other hand would have had to take a few pulls from the bottle if I were
in Dave's shoes!
Sunday at 12:40pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
Now! Are we gonna have a baying or, are we gonna have a hog dog field trail? You can't have both at the same time in the same arena with the same hogs.
Sunday at 12:42pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
You gonna have a baying, I can bring my bay dogs and I need a set up hog like everybody else. If you gonna have a hog dog field trail, I am bringing my woods dogs and I need a big healthy, mean, confident, running, fighting, like he is fresh out the woods hog and I will show you how some hog dogs can stop him and bay him and punish him if he makes the mistake of trying to run. AND, when I am finished showing you what a hog dog does to such a hog in two minutes, I will call my woods dogs out and you can give my dogs a standing ovation. I am not looking for any credit in this because all I done was love "em and raise them to be hog dogs and trained them to survive in the face of a wild hog anywhere they found him, and be a valued part of my team.
Sunday at 12:51pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
Now what are we gonna call it? Uncle Earls Hog Dog Trails OR Uncle Earls Baying? You can't have both in the same event, with the same hogs, AND the same dogs. What's it gonna be? Nuff is ENOUGH!
Sunday at 12:54pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
Now y'all can say what you want about Dave Alexander, but he took it like a man and refused to nurse on that bottle when he got second on account of his hog dogs caught that "bay pen hog" . He didn't whine and complain, or demonstrate poor sportsmanship either, but he didn't get a fair chance to prove he had the better dogs. And he DID have the better dogs. Why did he lose? I'll TELL YOU WHY; Uneven hogs in the bayoff for the 2 dog event at THE Uncle Earl's.
Sunday at 1:01pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
This ain't about me and my dogs and whining and complaining, OR poor sportsmanship. This is about everyone who reads this "thing" going on here on Facebook to decide, do we want a baying or a HOG DOG FIELD TRAIL? IT IS HERE FOR EVERYONE TO LEARN WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
Sunday at 1:05pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
JIMMY YOUNG HAS ALWAYS STOOD UP FOR US, WHO MAKE THE UNCLE EARLS HAPPEN. NOW I AM STANDING UP FOR HIM. TO ADVANCE THIS EVENT IN LINE WITH WHAT IS GOING ON IN OTHER BAY PEN LOCATIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY.
Sunday at 1:08pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
THE TIMES THEY ARE A CHANGIN'.......
Sunday at 1:08pm · Like




Marcus De La Houssaye
And...I don't think Jimmy Young realizes what is happening in the field trail world, because he doesn't go to bayings(that's plural). He doesn't see how dogs that are winning all over the country are coming to the Uncle Earls are disqualified because of an uneven set of hogs.
Sunday at 1:22pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
Now he might not listen to me, but he will listen to US.
Sunday at 1:22pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
Here is the number to his office: 318 932 5937
Sunday at 1:24pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
Now just in case you are a whiner and a complainer here is the number to the White House: 202 456 1111. Now this may be funny, but it is not a joke, so don't call that number unless you want to talk politics or economics or military strategy. Because it will hook you up to someone who is paid by your tax dollars to answer the phone and hear complaints and suggestions about what is going on in this fine country of ours.
Sunday at 1:31pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
Now just in case y'all are wondering about me being upset, that ain't happening because there is no bad days with Jesus.
Sunday at 1:32pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
On the other hand, Wendy has suggested that someone(meaning me) has their panties in a knot. That is not possible because I don't wear panties or any kind of under wear unless the temperature is below 50'.
Sunday at 1:35pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
Now as far as her knowing anything about anything in my pants: "In your dreams Darling".
Sunday at 1:36pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
Furthermore if I want to wear panties, that is none of her business.
Sunday at 1:38pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
Are you learning something Wendy?
Sunday at 1:39pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
This is Hog Dog Field Trail 101, class please come to order...
Sunday at 1:40pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
‎"We all love the smell of a stinkin hog" ~ Jimmy Young
Sunday at 1:41pm · Like


Wendy Templeton
Ummmm Marcus if you are going to quote me. Get it accurate. I was referring to the blog on someone asking about camp a while dogs NOTHING else. FYI I'm happily married and have been for 11 years. BTW my husband wants to let you know if you keep trying to pick a fight with his wife. He will bring one to you. See he is a little protective of the mother of his 3 children. Back the hell off me you asshole
Sunday at 3:35pm · Like


Christina de la Houssaye
‎. . .I really don't want to get into a fight about this between you two, but Mrs. Wendy, if my father is upsetting you, and you're the one saying your husband is threatening my father to back off, I think you should not be responding on my Dad's Facebook. It's really as simple as deleting him from your Facebook. It makes this a hypocritical situation on both sides. It's a bit ridiculous that you're telling him to back off of you but I've seen you replying to his many posts. I see you being just as offensive by responding with a "BTW" and then stating how your husband is going to fight my Dad.

I mean, really. . .?

Just a thought. . .Before you two get any further into this feud.
Sunday at 3:46pm · Like · 1 person


Wendy Templeton
Hello Christina. I had quit replying to his post and then he started y misquoting me. Your dad is really out of control. The only reason i havent removed him is to beaware of what he is posting re myself and close friends of mine. Exactly what i said is if he keeps trying to pick a fight with me then my hubby will get involved. I told your dad to back off and i would like him to do so. Im tired of the tit for tat. There is no reasoning with him.
Sunday at 4:32pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
I did not ask you to get into my business, and it is you accusing me of wearing panties. Now I am an asshole? Who is picking a fight here?
Sunday at 11:22pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
I was just informed by Phylis Alexander that Dave never drank liquor or beer in his life, and I believe her. So my observation of his refusal to drink after J&O were disqualified, is in line with his actions, after the bayoff a few years ago. My apologies Dave, and apparently I was misinformed by someone who thought they knew you. I will try not to forget we should believe nothing we hear and only half of what we see. It was none the less a shame J&O did not get an equal chance to win that night at about 1AM. You were a good sport.
Sunday at 11:57pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
@ ‎Wendy Templeton... it was not on my blog, it was here on Facebook and I suggest you get your facts straight. Your husband or anyone else want to see that you are falsely accusing me of wearing panties, can go to the wall on my profile. Look for the question from TrueGrit Hogdogs to me. Not to you. How about you stay out of my business and stop slandering me. If you don't know what slander is, I suggest talk to your lawyer. He may give you warning that you are treading on thin ice. You started this by making a reference about my panties are in a knot, which implies you know what is in my pants.
Monday at 12:07am · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
Every time you attacked me with false accusations, I defended myself. And I can do so with a man too. If you don't want to fight, stay out of my business.
Monday at 12:14am · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
Just for the record, I entertain and educate for a living, I'm good at it, and I enjoy myself while doing it. If you want to play with a comedian, prepare yourself to be laughed at. Because here on Facebook, my fans are enjoying the show!
Monday at 12:18am · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
Also, a lot of people who don't know what a baying is versus a Hog Dog Field Trail are learning something. I have been given a gift and I am sharing it.
Monday at 12:20am · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
One more thing; I swim with sharks and gators, and why don't they bite me? Professional courtesy!
Monday at 12:22am · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
I know Facebook can be confusing for someone just getting into it. So, here is the transcript of me being accused of wearing panties, thus being attacked by this rabid woman in sheep's clothing AGAIN THIS EVENING, who is accusing ME of being out of control, AND STARTING FIGHTS.
Monday at 12:27am

The transcript is below the dotted line:


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· LikeTrueGrit Hogdogs
...hey marcus, i have a camp a while bred dog i was just wondering if you knew what blood was in that breed , and i heard your dogs have blair blood in them
Yesterday at 10:37am · Like · · See Friendship


Wendy Templeton
...Camp a while is sherry bandos bloodline. She would be the one to talk to. Hope that helps.
Yesterday at 11:28pm · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
... not that simple, you can call me, have your papers handy and we will see if I know what you have. 337 298 2630, you might have some serious dogs there...
21 hours ago · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
... ‎Wendy Templeton I can speak for myself, so if someone asks ME a question I suggest you mind your own business. I'm sure if someone WANTS your help they are capable of speaking FOR THEMSELVES.
16 hours ago · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
... WHAT A DRAMA QUEEN!
16 hours ago · Like


Wendy Templeton
... Dang. Somebody has there panties in a knot
15 hours ago · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
... ya you!
14 hours ago · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
...Wendy if you are gonna attack me with words, you better get out your dictionary, because presently you do not know how to spell "their" or fail to understand the context thereof. You will need to have a dictionary, because I am sure you will need one to look up some of the big words I like to use such as: "pejorative"...just a thought. And unlike you, I mind my own business.


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Marcus De La Houssaye
CLASS, please pay attention. There will be a written test at the end of this lesson.
Monday at 12:32am · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
What is good about this happening right now is we have a whole year to plan for Uncle Earl's' 2012. It looks like it will be a good one with so many people coming home to the Uncle Earl's family gathering in Winnfield next year.
Monday at 12:37am · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
I want to bring an extra sack or two of crawfish if Mr Eddie Trap is boiling again.
Monday at 12:38am · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
Jambalai, crawfish pie, filet gumbooooo, for tonite I'm gonna see my chera mio, son of a gun, we gonna have big fun on the bayou!
Monday at 12:42am · Like


Marcus De La Houssaye
Aah, eeeee

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